Posts by life is to short

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

Dave also feels you should not see the inside of a restaurant unless you work there until you debts are paid off. That would be impossible for most JW's I know as they feel eating out is their God given right.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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Millie

Dave Ramsey is totally against debt and credit cards. He makes a ton of sense as far as I am concerned. So many JW's live on the edge and always complain about money and how they are broke, etc.

When my husband was an elder we had ones all the time come to us begging for money or for us to help them with bill's etc, most elders would not do it and they would dump the needy ones on us. I was just amazed by it. Even when I was single and just a young sister in the hall I was dumped on to help single mom's and young ones go out in service. Here i was working two to three part time jobs and there were these two elder's wives who berated me and guilted me into taking this single mom to the assembly and having her stay in my room. It was the first time in my life I had ever stayed in a hotel and I paid for the room for my sister and I totally by myself with out anyone giving me a dime. I told this elder's wife NO over and over and over and meeting after meeting after meeting she just wore me down. Here I was just 19 years old and so poor myself. These two elder and their wives were very well to do. I still to this day do not understand why they dumped this single mom on me.

It was hell, the single mom was rude to me, demanding and spent the whole time yelling abusing her four your old son. The little boy broke a dresser in the room and I was so freaked out I was going to have to pay for it. The mom trashed the room, wore a pair of my shoes that I had saved up for and ruined them. I never got a thank you from her nor the elder's wives.

Dave Ramsey is totally against doing that to people, he feels that they should help themselves and uses the Bible a lot. I do not totally agree with everything he says but probably about 80%.

He feels husband and wives should have a equal say in a marriage. That is totally against what it was like in the "truth". I had no say what so ever. My husband felt so sorry for so many and he give and give and give even when it meant us going without. That was so unfair and it really hurt me.

I do not mind helping but when it takes away from the family or the ones you are helping are rude to the mate than the helping needs to stop.

Dave Ramsey says the husband and wife should be united. I just totally agree. I used to turn the ringers off on the phone so we could at least have some time together as the congregation came first in our marriage and I was always second. That is just not how it should be and Dave really points it out. He is on the radio and I listen to him as often as I can. I just really love his way of reasoning.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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Just one more point a couple of years ago, I had just recovered from surgery and my husband and I went out for breakfast, it was my first time out of the house in a week and I was really enjoying just being out and my breakfast and in walks this JW elder and his wife who preceded to sit the next table over from us and loudly complain how expensive it was to eat out and how unfair it was that they could not do it more often. I mean they just went on and on and on. I was so frustrated and just upset. It totally ruined my meal.

I wish I had been listening to Dave Ramey back than because I would have thrown out what Dave says back to him as loudly as he was talking. I just sat there totally embarrassed hoping no one was listening, I was to polite back than I now realize.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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There was something else that really bothered me at them time we were at Bethel. There was a natural disaster somewhere in the world and during morning worship the GB who conducted tried to guilt all of us Bethelites into giving just one dollar each to the disaster out of our small amount of money that we had just received.

I remember just being shocked and very hurt. My husband and i were not privileged to get green hand shakes and we had no family to help us. The small stipend that we received was all we had and it truly did not go far. A dollar to the GB I am sure meant nothing but to those of us who had to make 90 dollars last all month with driving to meetings, buying toiletries, etc it was hard to make it. We never bought cloths it was the hopper for us. I remember one sister, when I was in the 50 building going through the hopper looking down on me like I was scum and telling the bother who was walking next to her that she would never stoop so low as to go into the hopper.

This was coming from a sister who's family had MONEY and she dressed in designer cloths that cost a fortune. She also had an office job, no working in construction for her in 90 degrees and no AC with all the widows closed and paint fumes installing closets like I had to.

I remember feeling so hurt and so belittled that day as she walked by looking at me with pure disdain.

We just never had any money but I never made a big deal about it, I never talked about money. So many were always talking about how poor they were and then they put me down for living like I did. I was just amazed at how rude they could be. Like that sister really, what was I doing that could make her that mad at me? I was not in her way or telling her she had to use donated cloths but she knew I heard every word she said and she just glared at me. Why? I remember a brother who spent money like water one time put me down because I said I could not afford to do something that they were, usally it was buying a ton of junk food for breaks. I just could not waste my money on the stupid junk food that most of the pioneers sucked down. A lot of them were fat and then they got mad at me for not being heavy like they were. I never asked anyone to pay for me, or tell them that they should not do it, I just told them I could not afford it or I was not hungry. But many of them would just berate me for being cheep. Why is it cheep to admit that I could not afford something instead of going into credit card debt like so many pioneering JW's were doing. Then they file bankruptcy and feel its OK. I think that is rude and uncaring to expect the stories and society to pay for their bankruptcy. I know of a couple of elders who have filed bankruptcy and its like its no big deal.

Anyway I am getting off the point of how stupid and hateful this religion can be and how money truly is a big deal to most JW's and to ask bethelites to give up a dollar is just so wrong on so many levels.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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Oubliette

It was for shipping our stuff out west. We did't have a lot but since we had so long of a drive it was easier to have it shipped than stuffed in our car for a week. We had it sent to the assembly hall in Oregon on one of there semi trucks. It was that and a few other things we had gotten right when we left. Nothing that big and the bills were not that much but still it was just that they tracked us down that amazed me even back than because they knew we were jobless.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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I talked with flipper and Mrs. flipper yesterday and I was telling them how my husband and I also received bills from Bethel after we left, they suggested that I write it on this thread so here it goes.

They were itemized just like this guy said. It was for anything that we might have owed. We were there before they used our room cards as debit like he mentioned so it took about two months before we received our first bill.

If I remember right they double billed us, its been 20 years ago and I cannot totally remember right but I do remember that I was really upset because of one of the bills but we moved a whole bunch of times. I kept thinking Jehovah was going to bless us with work and a place to live like that brother in the video said if we just relied on Him and we would just step right back into pioneering.

Well Jehovah never helped us AT ALL. My mother-in-law had promised us a place to stay and told us there was tons of work where she was. The only problem was her current husband was ticked that we had stupidly taken a vow of poverty and felt we needed to pay them plus my MIL and lied and there was no work where they lived not even minimum wage jobs. It was horrible and so depressing that we stayed only a few weeks and moved again to where a temporary worker at Bethel (an elder who Bethel had paid to have him come back to work. Yes they do foot the bill for some.) had told us there was work and again no real work. Both my husband and were working all kinds of hours missing meetings, etc. I was working two to three jobs again no Jehovah.

So we moved yet again and in that mess Bethel somehow lost our address and we never received a bill for the one that was in question and I never followed through which for years when I was a true believer bothered me a huge amount now I am glad.

Looking back really they could not write it off after we gave them years of free work?

Anyway so it goes for those of us who were stupid enough to buy into the lie.

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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I was at Bethel and though I did not experience the same things he did I realize enough of his story to know it is true.

I was a married sister and my overseer hated me from the start, the first day I was there. I was in construction, I thought as a sister I would be placed in housekeeping or some such thing, no I was assigned construction. I knew nothing about it. The CO's wife told me to bring only dresses as at Bethel sisters were not allowed to wear jeans. My overseer was so MAD at me for not having jeans with me, he told me that NO CO's wife would ever tell me such a thing. We had no money for me to buy cloths so I got jeans out of the hoppers, they did not fit well but it was the best I could do.

My first three days my overseer had me sort nuts and bolts and screws that were in this file cabinet. I spent three loooooong days doing the mind numbing job. I sat there most of the time by myself wondering why my overseer hated me so much. I will never forget the hurt I felt on the fourth day when my overseer in a fit of rage over something that one of the bothers did dumped all the nuts, bouts, and screws into a huge pile that I had just spent the three days sorting out all back together. All my mind numbing work destroyed in just seconds right in front of me.

My overseer took great joy in telling me that I was there only for the free food and such. That he knew most about 70% of the Bethelites were there only for the free stuff, One of his sayings was that most of Bethel just drags themselves around not willing to work.

It sadly funny now looking back I never remember seeing my overseer work. All he did was walk around complaining and yelling at everyone. I never saw him truly work.

One time he decided that I needed to hang out the window on scaffolding three stories up. I am petrified of heights but I felt that Jehovah was telling me to do it (mind over matter) so I stepped out three stories up on wobbly boards. I just instantly got down and hugged the railing. I was not tied off, the boards were set right and moved like crazy the whole thing was swaying, I was so freaked out and my overseer was SO MAD at me. He yelled at me to just back inside.

There was nothing I could do that was right, everything I did was wrong, even things that I did right he found something wrong with it. Never once in the whole time I was at Bethel did he ever say a kind word to me. NEVER! It was always we were "just good for nothing slaves" quoiting from the Bible.

I know ones like fisherman will say I was stupid that no one asked me to go that I was probably truly lazy that I did not want to work that I was there for the free food and room, etc.

Fisherman and ones like him are a huge reason why I do not post here much anymore. When we pioneered where the CO told us to, where the need was great we qualified for government aid welfare, food stamps. I would not take it. I have never once in my life taken government help. I pioneered because I was mislead to believe that Jehovah wanted me to. It was my idea and I was not going to be a burden on anyone especially tax payers who were not Jehovah's servants. I have always worked and supported myself, working 30 plus hours a week while pioneering 90 hours a month.

Yet here I was at Jehovah's house and being accused of being there for the free stuff. It hurt like crazy than and it still hurts like crazy now 21 years latter. I will never get the words of hate and anger from my overseer out of my head. So go on fisherman and slam me and those who put ourselves out to be so stupid as to believe that Jehovah wanted us. I know I was stupid and lazy like my overseer told me. I was lifting 90 pound over my head for my job and I was a woman who weighed 120 at the time but hey yeh I was just a lazy no good human.

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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boc very good points that you make. A small child just cannot use his CONSCIENCE and just hold up his or her hand and say NO!

I was molested as a child and did that once told my molester NO! Yeah that did't work to well.

And what about all this making Jehovah sad insanity they are throwing at children. I was with a JW last summer and she used it on her little 5 year old granddaughter. The child started sobbing saying over and over I don't want to make Jehovah sad. I was just standing there speechless. The stupid making Jehovah sad thing is really working.

So what if the older elder or trusted sister in the hall tells the child that 'if you tell you what will are doing it will make Jehovah sad'. The child is going to cave and not tell. These kids do not want to make Jehovah sad. It is like shooting fish in a barrel for child molesters in this religion I swear. They are just handed kids on a platter.

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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So what does the child say when he is in the car group with his pioneer mom, and the mom and the other sister in the car go inside a return visit and leave him alone in the car for say just 10 minutes with the wonderful MS who is reaching out and giving all kinds of parts at the meetings and who the childs elder dad keeps saying at home how wonderful this MS is and that Jehovah is really using him and Jehovah reads hearts and this MS is just praised and praised by all in the congregation.

So when the MS starts just ticking him and playing just little games with him at first nothing more but keeps trying to be in the car group with his pioneer mom and this little guy keeps hearing how wonderful and great and seeing this MS for himself giving talks and saying that Jehovah is blessing him. This goes on for weeks maybe even months. Just tickling and nothing more just paying around, the child does not really like it and has tried to tell his pioneer mom but she keeps telling the child that he is just making a big deal out of nothing as this MS is appointed by Jehovah's holy spirit and plus she kind of likes having the MS in her car group as a babysitter so she can gossip and chat with the other sisters without her little boy bugging her..

Than one day it leads to more but by than the child is so confused and bewildered there is no way for him to tell his pioneer mom and elder dad, and besides the child knows no one would ever believe him as Jehovah is with this MS. That is all he has heard for the last couple of months of how wonderful this MS brother is.

Filpper my blood presser is so high right now, I just really, really, really want to scream. I just cannot believe the insanity of this stupid so called religion. How anyone can watch this video and not be offended is beyond me yet I know only too well that every JW will.

It is just such blatant insanity.

As far as Tony saying how they take child abuse serious, is that why I was threatened with being DF'ed if I did not agree to take a level 2 sex offender in my car and go dtd with him just because I was an elder wife by the CO and at least one of the elders in my hall?

Frustrating and upsetting is beyond what I am feeling right now.

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